<span class="highlight">Tyre</span> <span class="highlight">pressures</span> for 750-16 splits on sand

Wondering if anybody is using 750-16 (roadgrippers) on split rims on sand and what pressure they can be lowered to

My Patrol wagon weighs around 3000 kg & on the road i run approx 45 psi frt & 50 psi rear & on soft beach sand i have lowered them to around 25psi with significant bag in the side walls and it seems to do ok

I read that people with wider tyres on 1 piece rims run much lower pressures (around the 18psi mark) but i wonder how the splits & tubes will handle pressure this low

Any advice would be appreciated

Regards Don
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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:16
I had mine down to 18 psi on my landcruiser weighing about 2500kg.
They were never as good in the sand as tubeless tyres
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Reply By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:18

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 00:18
The wider the tyre the lower the pressure you need to get the necessary length of footprint. Why go lower if you're doing OK at 25psi?
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Reply By: Willem - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:53

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 06:53
Don

You run the tyres as soft as needed depending on the terrain. Roadgrippers can go down as low as 10psi but you have to be aware that you can run it off the rim at that pressure. If you are doing OK at 25psi then that is fine but if you encounter real soft sand then you could go down to 15psi. I have run down to 10 psi on rag tyres to get a larger footprint. Have run a tyre off a rim at 10psi on a radial though.


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Reply By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:51

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:51
Its about right Ron , just use the ratio formula for width as a first approximation.

I.E. The standard reccomendation of 18psi X Standard width/Your width

So 18psi X 265/195 = about 24psi (195 is 7.50 width)
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:15

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:15
Hi Robin, I must admit this formula has got me lost with the standard witdh/your width conversion, I was thinking that the 7.50 WAS the standard width on entry level patrols.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:40

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:40
Hi Shane

Yes 7.50 is patrol standard , but I was reffering to the more standard tyre size used as the basis for the general 18psi reccomendation.

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Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:19

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 09:19
Hi Don,
I had these tyres on my old HJ45 troopy, which we went Fraser Island with regularly. 25 is about right. The big issue is that you have tubes and the friction can generate a lot of heat at low pressures, I would travel up to 60kph at 25 psi with no worries, just don't steer too sharply. I would go down to 18 if really needed but then had to reduce speed for the extra heat and re-inflate ASAP. Occasionally get out and feel the tyres, if too hot slow down or up the pressures, the fronts can go lower than the rears too, depending on load.
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18
I just posted this in the other place where donk asked this same question....
With tubeless tyres, it is unlikely that you will damage the tyre or valve if you spin the tyre on the rim (a little bit), but you WILL loose all of the air, break the bead seal and get sand between the seal and rim that makes it impossible to re-inflate until it is cleaned properly.

Regarding speed with low pressures, the figures on the pics below are from Michelin for the tyres I use on the OKA.
Notice the dramatic reduction in maximum (sustained) speed that is required to avoid overheating the tyre, even with moderate pressure reduction.


You can also see why low pressures work so well in soft conditions.

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Reply By: garrycol - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:52

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 12:52
Peter - your pics also show the impact of lowering pressures on the width - for sure on hard surfaces and hard sand the tread is still only in contact with the surface but in soft stuff that bulging sidewall (top right pic) also comes into play and the tyre is effectively wider.

People concentrate on the extended length of tread in contact but in sand etc the overall width of that ballooning tyre also comes into play - so your % increase in contact figures are probably a little conservative.

Nice pics and lesson though.

Garry
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:50

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 15:50
"People concentrate on the extended length of tread in contact but in sand.."

Hi
That is because that is the important factor - width plays little part and in fact some argue it can have a negative effect. If you have "wide" tyres you still have to let them down - why? Because you need to extend the length of footprint.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:09

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 16:09
that extra "width' helps not one iota because it bears no weight
- only the bottom area of the tyre (IE the surface area of the tread in contact with the ground) does this
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:21

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:21
I agree with the other replys, the big gains you get is the increase in amount of tread making contact,

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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:42

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 19:42
With beadlocks on tubeless tyres, you can run them as low a 9 psi, of course I'm talking competition setup

I ran my split rimmed 235/85- 16's at 16 front, 18 rear, loaded to 3.5 t on my crossing of the Simpson Desert in '07, as mentioned you have to be carefull because of heat build up (mainly due to speed) and didn't have any problem on any sand dune going east - west, once the sand dunes eased I pumped up to 20/24 psi for the gibber and corrugations along the old ghan line all the way to Alice.
Once on bituman 40/44psi

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These 2 have done 50000 ks, for a mud terrian I reckon thats good
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The front pair have only done about 10000ks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:08

Wednesday, Dec 16, 2009 at 20:08
I forgot to add,
If you are stuck in soft sand, tubed splits can go down to 10psi just to get you out of trouble.

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